I am no more a theologian than Oprah Winfrey is a doctor. Most of what I think about the Bible, a whole bunch of people before me have thought, too. That doesn’t mean I didn’t come to my own conclusions, but it does mean that I don’t exactly think these grand, ridiculous thoughts that come out of no where. Hence, that is disclaimer number one.
Disclaimer number two is this: this is my opinion on the matter. The only one that knows any of these things for certain is God. So unless you’re God, get your panties out of your butt and relax. :)
The other night, my dear ‘ole Dad and I got into a bit of a discussion about whether or not a Christian can lose their salvation. I’m not sure I’ve thought about this a lot before… but for some reason, when he started talking about how he was certain believers can, in fact, lose their salvation if they turn their back on God, I felt a chord struck in me and verses run into my head.
“Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation–the old has gone, the new has come!” (2 Cor. 5:17). That’s the first verse I thought of, and I figured, Daddy may be wrong about this! (I know, challenging my dad… major risk, here). But here’s the deal… when I buy new jeans to replace the ones that get ripped down the crotch, I don’t like, put on my new pants, but keep my old ones around just in case. No way! I’m set in my jeans, and happy that they’re new… and I couldn’t be talked into wearing the old ones even if you offered me life where I wasn’t allergic to ice cream! They show my undies… and that’s no good! I like the new jeans better! I throw the old ones out. They go to the dump. Mice use them for beds.
So I kept thinking, and after my dad challenged me to research my point of view (he didn’t shut me down completely, which means I must have said something that made him think)… I decided to go to a place that is way smarter than me. No, not the internets… and not my husband…. or my mom (though she is wicked smart)… I went to the Bible. And to my recollection of what all my brilliant professors taught about it.
I hate it when I read up on these types of things, and people share only the verses that back up their case, so I’m not going to do that. Instead, let’s begin here with a counter-argument.
18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either. 22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. Romans 11:18-22
I thought back to my days in Romans and Galatians class (and cursed myself for throwing my notes out)… and remember something that Dr. Miller said about this. I don’t, for the record, know what he believes on this subject as a whole. But I do remember him talking about the fact that Israel was the original (natural) branches… but that some did not believe at all… and even though they were born into the great country of Israel… that doesn’t mean that they got salvation right off. They rejected God, and even though they rejected him, God still used the nation as a whole to open the doors to Him to Jews and Gentiles alike. Thus, Gentiles are the ingrafted branches. But, if a Gentile chooses not to believe, that means they’re not part of God’s tree… just like the Jews that don’t believe. …. Now, I may have butchered that, but that’s what I believe I remember, and as I look at it again, it makes sense to me.
4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen[a]away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. Hebrews 6:4-6
Now, we read this and we’re like, DUDE! It’s true! You CAN LOSE IT!!! But wait. Context is everything.
In this, he’s talking throughout this about a generation (the Israelites) that saw the works of God up close and personal, but still rejected him. It reminds me of the bit about how even the demons know who God is, but reject him. Knowledge isn’t everything… belief is. Thus, even if we grow up in church, see thousands of miracles, even if we talk about Jesus all the time… if we never really believe (and I believe that belief is shown through how one’s life is lived… cuz belief should change you… but we’ll get to that) then we’re not going to ever have salvation… just like the demons.
Ok, so let’s consider further the verses that I see as supporting the “You is Saved FOREVER!” principle.
13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life. 1 John 5:13
Ok, so 1 John is all about the love of God as shown through Jesus, and how we are to love because of how he loved us. So, essentially, at the end, John is saying, “Dude, I wanted you to know these things because when you know them (believe)… you get eternal life!” Now, I don’t know about you, but if I have eternal life, and then God takes it away from me, I don’t think that’s really eternal life. Once again, I suggest that perhaps… those that “fall away” are either Christians who have suppressed the Holy Spirit (and are likely living in agony for that very reason), or they’re people who liked the idea of Jesus, but never really made him the LORD of their life. Because, I mean, how can you know God but never change? OR how can you know God, and then end up worse than you were before you knew him? It just doesn’t make sense to me.
There’s honestly tons more verses that I could look at… but you’ve probably already stopped reading. Hopefully dad still is though. :)
Essentially, I came to this belief because as I read the Bible, it seems to fit into the entirety of what the Bible is saying. God created a perfect earth, but humans chose to be stupid. God can’t live with stupid. Jesus came and died for the sins of all of us. Jesus said that if we believe in him, the Spirit (which he says is far better) enters us and makes us into a new creation. We are then are given the supernatural ability to live out God’s kingdom as it was intended here on earth. We still sin, but if we hold to our faith, it gets better. And let me just say, without God, I’d never have been able to do anything nice for anyone, let alone live for others. AKA, true faith in God is shown by how you live. True unfaith in God, will show in how you live… even if it takes a while. We can all act good for at least a little while, right?
So if we’re new creations, and if we’re given eternal life, and if we’re living out God’s kingdom here on earth… honestly, I don’t understand how anyone could walk away. Life may throw everything at us, but John 10:29 says that nothing can snatch us out of the hand of God. And that’s what I’ve chosen to believe. And I’m not saying you have to, but I would say you should at least think about what you believe… because what you believe about things like this will totally change the way you live and the way you talk about God.
Ok, I have a flight to catch in the morning. Good night
Oh, one last disclaimer… I only fight (discuss) in person… so if you actually wanna talk through these things, let’s wait till the next time we see each other (or skype each other). Otherwise, go find someone else and talk to them. Hopefully you believe different things so you both can grow











